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Date: 2015-07-05 10:28 am (UTC)ÐипоÑеза ÐÑкаÑевиÑа
Date: 2015-07-06 12:24 am (UTC)http://www.buran.ru/htm/mh17_4.htm
Re: ÐипоÑеза ÐÑкаÑевиÑа
Date: 2015-07-06 07:18 am (UTC)Re: ÐипоÑеза ÐÑкаÑевиÑа
Date: 2015-07-06 08:50 am (UTC)Я в ÑÐµÑ Ð½Ð¸ÑеÑкие подÑобноÑÑÑ
Date: 2015-07-05 10:11 pm (UTC)a) Buk-M1 missile launcher can aim missile and illuminate target in, but itâs observation capabilities are very limited (its forward field of view only) and there is no such an option like âconstant rotationâ.
b) Buk-M1 missile launcher is unable to properly identify a target. Its radar provides with basic functionality only: very approximate altitude, approximate speed.
c) civil plane is always identified by Buk-M1 as âenemyâ. Buk-M1 missile launcher has IFF reader, and it cannot operate if IFF reader is not functional, to prevent friendly fire. However, Buk-M1 missile launcher does not understand ICAO codes.
Buk works with different type of radar systems for early warning and you canât start BUK without some kind of signal (even without order) from that early warning system. Here's a look at how the Soviet-made system works:
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-fragment-from-mh17-crash-site-supports-missile-theory-dutch-tv-2015-3
In some cases it can be put it on standby regime in âmode of visual observationâ (in case that it canât communicate with the battery â radio silence, diversion etc.), but in any case the crew should look for some specific target. In this case it is possible for BUK to launch a missile. With 5 minutes time needed for battery to shoot a missile in âstandbyâ mode, this time is more than enough to pickup a plane flying with 800 km/h in his range. But obviously the crew canât spend hours in observing the sky. In such a case the battery will uncovered very quickly.
Conclusion:
-As Buk-M1 missile launcher does not understand ICAO codes, it cannot distinguish civil planes per definition and select a specific flight
-Thus, the information about a specific target can be obtained only from mobile Target Acquisition Radar or stationary system
-No mobile early warning system was identified in the area, so it was stationary system, located behind the border.
-Stationary system has on-line information from civil flight control, additionally to its own capabilities.
So, no mistake in identification of the target is virtually possible.
It means, that the concept of Mr. Piontkovsky is totally wrong. MH-17 was an original target.
Although communication between Buk-M1 missile launcher and a stationary long range observing system, belongs to Russian Air Defense was intercepted by US military, they refused to release this data, as well as US military satellites one. Official explanation was that the USA are not interested to publish information about its intelligence capabilities. But this is only a cover of the true reason. The release of this information will make US a side of the conflict, accusing Russian military in slaughter of hundreds of civilians. Obama's administration is so distanced from being a side, that did not even launched its own criminal investigation, although by official American data, among MH17 victims was 1 American. By non-American data, it were 23 (twenty three).
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Date: 2015-07-07 08:26 pm (UTC)Re: Я в ÑÐµÑ Ð½Ð¸ÑеÑкие подÑобноÑÑ
Date: 2015-07-09 12:44 am (UTC)https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2014/11/08/origin-of-the-separatists-buk-a-bellingcat-investigation/
The Snow Drift target acquisition radar has a maximum detection range of 85 km, so it must be present in the area. However, no single source of ANY side of the conflict has even mentioned it.
The matter of fact, it was absent.